Saturday, February 28, 2009

Grove Day Game

Ray, Mr. S, and I went to the Grove to do some warm-up for our last night of Month 1

I did only 1 set that I recall, with a missionary girl that is really involved with the church. I did horse girl, Brad Pitt, Smart/Hot/Rich. We vibed on some common interests in travel, and then I got the #, and hugged her good-bye. Nothing too exciting, and I'm not sure if I'll call since I'm not really into good girls ;)

# close - 1

Friday AA

It's 11:30, and we arrive at a local frat boy bar. I immediately open the first 3 sets I see

Set #1 - horse girl - "I'm not her!" - She wouldn't even listen to the contingencies, and she just runs off to see her friends (blowout)

Set #2 - eyeliner - I open these two ugly girls that were standing next to me, who I saw checking me out. They offer me some opinions, and I say thanks and leave. (C<5)

Set #3 - sexy shoes - a fiesty girl and her friend. Fiesty girl interrupts me 3 or 4 times, and I plow. She asks if this line works on a lot of girls. I got laid 300 times this month from that line alone, plow plow plow. She says that's gross. I roll into the next routine, but the music is loud and I am not speaking loud enough. She asks me to repeat myself. I tease her for pretending she can't hear, but I think she truly can't. Now I find myself leaning in to talk with her. She asks if I ate onions tonight. I say no, I'm testing out this new onion flavored chewing gum. She's the first one to offer any opinion. I ask her friend if the fiesty girl is always like this? Yes. I vibe with the friend a little bit, as she is friendly, and we talk about getting some piercings. I compliment her and say an eyebrow piercing would look good on her, and she is really appreciative. I may have just sold an eyebrow piercing, ha ha. The fiesty girl says she wants to see me use that line on other people to see if it works. I tell her that she has to buy me a drink before I can consider any fan requests. My wing comes in and I feel all warmed up, so I use this time to eject. Later girls (C>5)

Now, I'm standing around like a douche bag. I walked through the whole bar, and saw no "easy sets" and started creatively avoiding talking to anybody. I chat with Ray a bit. Then he opens a mixed set, so I open the set next to me. I'll call her HBEightyPounds. I love these skinny girls. Horse girl. She plays along. We hug. She has to go back to her friends with drinks, but she stays and chats and asks my name. Brad Pitt. She says she doesn't think Brad is hot. She asks where I'm from. She's been there and tells a story. Now she really needs to go back to her friends but I like talking with you. I tell her that I might come find her later, if she is lucky. She laughs. More later.

As I'm walking by, 3 blonds open me because they like my look. I give one of them a big hug of appreciation, and start some banter. One of the friends starts acting goofy and a bit bitchy towards me and trying to get all of the attention, and I say Oh, that is so cool that you hang out with retarded kids. She says I'm not retarded, I just have no reason to like you. I throw back, you're not really impressing me so far. I'll give you 3 seconds to win me over. Go! She says that she is just joking and that I seem "nice." I go back to my target and start running smart/hot/rich. She works for Disney, so I roll into the disney opener. She claims to be really smart. Now friend #3 comes in and says Let's Go! and they just move about 20 feet away (C>5)

Once again, I run into HBEightyPounds. She is looking for her friends, and she asks me if I want to come upstairs with her. I say, this is my first time here and I haven't checked out upstairs yet, so sure. She grabs my hand and leads me upstairs, but when we arrive she doesn't like it. She is a bit intense actually. So she asks if I smoke, and I say no but I could use some fresh air. So we walk out to the smoking area and start chatting. Let the frame control battles begin! She asks why I'm in LA. Just some work stuff. What do you do? Guess... Oh no, I don't play those games, and I definitely don't play the age game. OK, I'll guess first. I guess you are 25. She likes that guess, but it is low. We go back and forth, back and forth. Then she tells me her real age. I won't tell her mine, but then she says please. So I tell her. We have several stories that each of us are sharing, and she asks me a few times, is this the short version of this story? I say yes, and keep telling. Then a few times, I ask her the same thing. This is fun. She makes the point of saying a few times that she has a guy, and she is content with the guy she is fucking, and so on and so forth. I tell her she is in my friend zone. I'm having a problem running routines, because they aren't coming into my head! But we are having fun just sparring with each other. I talk about living overseas, and use that as an excuse to do full body kino like we are standing on a subway in Tokyo. I take her passport out of her purse and comment about all the places she has been and joke about her photo. She needs to go to the bathroom, so this time I grab her wrist and walk through the crowd to take her to the bathroom. More later

I'm once again standing around like a douche, so I walk and go outside and open 2 girls with Disney. Girl #1 asks if this is a pickup line. Because if it is, its a really good one! She says to her friend, isn't that a really good question?! She agrees. So we vibe on Disney. She has the attention span of a gnat, and keeps getting distracted by people walking by or whatever. I tease her for having ADD. There is a guy standing on the edge luring like a stalker, and I think he is with these 2 girl. They think he is with me. He is creepy. But the second girl starts talking to him, so I have 1:1 time with my target. Girl #2 eventually pulls away my target to leave, so letting that guy into the conversation didn't really work out so well. Also though, knowing she has ADD, I probably shouldn't have started Smart/Hot/Rich with the straight forward question of "Are you smart?" Ha. She didn't like it. (C>5)

I run into HBEightyPounds again, and I ask her if she has email. This is part of a yes ladder to the phone #, and I wanted to try it. She says this conversation is probably best had outside, so off we go outside again. We go for the email exchange, and she says it is better to text her. So I take the number, and call her, and she saves it in her phone book. I make her promise to be excited when I call. She agrees, on one condition, and starts telling me this long story about how she doesn't always listen to voicemail or return phone calls, but text is good. I cut her off and ask if there is a short version of this story :). Text Me. We hug, and I head out. (# close)

Ray and I are standing outside when this girl from Kentucky opens me because she likes my look. She wants to touch my facial hair. Normally I tell people they need to buy me a drink, but we are outside the bar. I should have said that she had to give me a kiss, which is what I will do next time. Anyway, I got some good kino out of it, and all right in front of HBEightyPounds. I also should have gone into reckon/yonder. She is in town visiting, and her friends just got the car from valet, so off they go (C<5)


Overall, I had some bad AA tonight. I think this was due to a large percentage of mixed sets. I also ran very little scripted routines, as they just weren't coming to me. Wtf. So overall, a poor night for game progress, but I did get one # from a hot girl

B - 1
C<5 - 2
C>5 - 3
# - 1

Friday, February 27, 2009

Relationship update

Brad came by the house tonight and we were able to sync on progress and some ideas for improvement. We also discussed relationships

As you may recall from my previous post (Relationship (mis)management) I had a phone call that ended my current LTR due to her perceived need for a commitment. Brad's advice was gold - first, girls usually do this when some event happens in their life or a friends life that affects relationships (a girlfriend of hers is having commitment issues with her man friend, for example.) First step - discredit the friend with a series of questions about the friends expertise and long term success in relationships, and discredit her methods of getting a man to commit (since it isn't working for her, this isn't challenging.) Step two - Suggest that we should get together to reconnect. Girls love to reconnect.

10 minutes after this discussion, I get an IM from the lady friend asking if we can talk. We did. And have agreed to get together to reconnect

Thursday, February 26, 2009

Hell Night

Hell night is awesome. The energy is really open and friendly, with half naked people and exhibitionists getting whipped and flayed for your viewing pleasure.

I opened a set right away with sexy shoes. Super intense kino from this girl to me, so I have my arms wrapped around her. No need for the hug, because we are already hugging. Brad Pitt. Smart/Hot/Rich. I think I overqualified her, because she kind of got freaked out by it and ran off (C<5)

I opened a girl with Horse Girl. "I just heard this from your friend 2 minutes ago." OK, I have another. "No, I'm not even listening!" and then some of her friends showed up and she back turned me. (B)

I open 2 girls with sexy shoes, I get the hug, and I am kino'ing this girl like crazy. I smacked her on the ass twice. Brad Pitt. Smart/Hot/Rich. I am really f'ing smart! She tells me how she f'd her college professor, and just wanted it to be a 1 night thing but he kept calling her. I think it was a bit of a test, and just said yeah, I know how that goes. I have my hand on her ass and she is leaning into me and we are chatting, when a guy and a girl friend show up. There is drama with her girlfriend. I chat with the guy, and ask how they know each other. He says my target is his slave, and the other girl is a friend. The drama is taking awhile, so I go check out the room a bit (C>5) I reopened this girl later, and she and the girl are still deep in convo, and get told this is just a me and her thing. Later.

There is some weird stuff with these girls, and not that many of them are hot. Some are definitely grade A material, but there are a lot of fat girls or ugly girls. I walked around for awhile and didn't really open anybody, or just chatted with whatever person was close to me to stay social. A fat girl asks me to dance, and I say I need to find my friends first and walk off.

I opened a 2-set with sex last week, and the target loved it. We are kino'ing the shit out of each other, and I start running smart/hot/rich. A guy walks in and the girl moves away from me and chats with him, so I vibe with the friend. I just start running normal story telling with her, about travel, etc... She is a "nice girl" and is not sexually liberated, like her friend. Her words. We chat about that a bit, and then she asks how I know her friend. I should have said we go way back, but no, I admit to just meeting her 2 minutes ago. I ask what she does for fun, and she starts talking about comic books and science fiction books. OK... Then the dude leave, and the target recommences kino. I do a little dancing with the two girls, and check logistics. Not good. Good girl is DD, and they live in Riverside. So I go to pull numbers from both girls. Good girl wouldn't hand it over. Ha! But I got the liberated one! Viva la liberation! (# close)

I should definitely have done more sets, and there were a couple times I wussed out about approaching some really hot girls. Lesson learned! Like the highly compensated marketers at Nike say, Just Do It! At least I got some great kino and a couple ass slaps in

Total sets:
B - 1
C<5 - 1
C>5 - 1
# - 1

Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Promoter led day game

Met up with our local promoter friends, and went to check out some new day game spots. First on the list was a heavily traffic'd outdoor shopping area

First set - I don't speak English (B)
Second set - Just keeps walking (B)

3rd set - Horse Girl - she bites, hook, line, and sinker. Big hug. She is in town for a week, and I spent some time hanging out where she lives before, so we vibed on that. She needs to go, but I keep her talking for another 5 minutes. We gotta meet up before you head back home. Definitely! (# close) Text game is in progress.

4th set - Horse Girl - it's not her. She's from Denmark. I have been to Denmark about 6 times, and start talking about that, but then I go back to horse girl and try to get the forgiveness. She won't forgive me, and walks off. (C<5)


We head off to venue #2, which is a really busy Target store. (Pronounced "Tar-zhay" (IPA: /tɑrˈʒeɪ/) to those in the know)

I situationally open a girl and vibe about laundry detergent. Then I go into sexy shoes. She won't forgive me and you can tell she feels awkward, so she walks off. We got some good laundry soap advice though (C<5)

I horse girl a cute blond that is reviewing the extensive selection of canned soups. She forgives me, and gives me a big hug. Brad Pitt. She moved to LA a few months ago, and I did just a few weeks ago, so we talk about that. She asks where I live, and I confirm that she isn't going to try to follow me home. She laughs, and all is well. I ask her to get me some free tickets to a show that she is in, but "I don't even get free tickets!" OK. I say she seems smart, and she is like, oh yeah, I just finished my masters and I speak 4 languages. Cool, but are you rich. Yeah, I'm doing ok. Cool, cause I only like smart/hot/rich girls. *laughs* So what do you do for fun? There is some drama in her life that means she isn't getting a lot of fun right now, and I just say I understand we all have those times in out lives, but we always look back on them and think about how great it was because it made us make active decisions about our lives. She totally agrees. I say we should hang out sometime, and she says to come see her show and she'll be there. I insist I can only come if I have free tickets. I also joke about after parties and backstage parties, and how actors and singers are all really geeks that know how to party. I go for the # close, but she mentions again "some drama." I say let's stay in touch cuz you'll be ready to get out soon, so give me the email - she does. (email close.) I give her another hug, and then walk off into the sunset

Not a bad day overall. I have a hard time sticking to my stack, which doesn't seem as crucial during day game. I was feeling good and lively, so I had good energy and seemed to connect with people.

I've also been texting with a few of my # closes. While I haven't been getting a lot of traction, I have 4 girls that I am making progress with.

Day game summary:
B - 2
C<5 - 2
#/email - 2

Fat Tuesday

Tonight was a much more energetic fun night for me. Perhaps I'm nearly over the cold that has been plaguing me for the past week+, or perhaps I just felt the New Orleans spirit

I didn't go out the last two nights, and instead staying in... resting a bit and also doing a little studying. I listened to a Glenn P interview on relationships, and also read Fader's banter lines post from the Attraction Forums. It is a gold mine of little quips to humor the ladies

So around 10 pm, Ray and I decide to go to Foxtail. We arrive, and are informed that only those on the guest list will be permitted entry. No matter, we hop in the car and start to go to Cinespace, but in route we notice that the Saddle Ranch is packed. And with the alure of cotton candy, mini-skirt clad women riding a mechanical bull, and most importantly... no cover, we stop.

But first, we head into the Standard to use the can. I vibed with the door staff, who remembered me from last time. Then we get in line at the Saddle Ranch, as they are "at capacity" and we need to wait until some people finish their ribs and fried chicken before we can get inside. I start chatting with a mixed 4-set (1 guy, 3 girls) and spew a bunch of off-the-cuff bullshit, that has them all laughing and having a good time. The guy gives me a fist thump in appreciation. I chat with the door guy, who now knows me by name and tell him he's doing a great job. Some guy from inside walks out and says "Hey, how's it going bro?!", like he knows me, and gives me a high 5. Then, in we roll. (C>5)

I open a 2 set by just looking at this girl like I know her. She starts blabbing about something that I don't understand, but I give her a big hug. Her sister wants to touch my facial hair, and I tell her hands off the merchandise. She talks back, so I smack her on the ass. She gives me a hug. She asks how I know her sister, and I put my arm around the sis and talk about how we dated a long time ago. She plays along. We are all laughing and having fun playing off each other, and there is a ton of 3-way kino happening. Both girls grab me and pull me out of the aisle to talk more, and then suddenly they have to go smoke and run off, never to be seen again (C>5)

I see Ray in set, and I go in to wing. I occupy the obstacle. They are from England, and I joke about how I don't like English girls. I make her guess what I do, and she says computer programmer! WTF! Apparantly my rocker look has some flaws :) I'm just bantering about nothing, and Ray tells us that his girl has agreed to be his 9th boyfriend. I ask when they are going to get married, and perform the marriage ceremony right on the spot. Ray gets a kiss. I try to isolate, saying it is loud in here, let's go outside, but they aren't having it (C>5)

I open 3 black girls, only talking to one of them though as the other two are staring into space at the bar. She loves sexy shoes, and laughs her ass off and plays along. Brad Pitt. She has a bar name too. We talk about giving fake phone #'s. I do the rolling stones bit. I'm a line cook at Denny's. This girl isn't hot, and Ray comes in to wing, so I try to talk to the 2 girls at the bar. They are stone cold. I talk about skydiving, which the friend said they did together, and not even that stirs an ounce of emotion. I'm not here to talk to the wall, so I eject (C>5)

I open a 2-set, and Ray follows right in to occupy girl #2. This girl is a riot, and we totally feed off each other. She loves horse girl, and I get a great hug. Brad Pitt. She says she is in the business, and I ask if that is her way of describing her porn career. She is like, most definitely. I say "Hmmm, I definitely don't recognize you. Turn around." So I turn her around and check out her ass, and declare that now I recognize her. I forget my motivation, but I also slapped her on the ass. Perhaps I just wanted to. Smart/Hot/Rich. She can cook. I tell her about my gig in the Rolling Stones. Line cook at Denny's. My aspirations in porn. They need to leave, so I get the #. She tells me to text her my name so she has my number. (# close.) Ray got the # of the second girl.

I go outside to get some fresh air. I open a 2-set. Again, this is a great high energy conversation, and we are totally vibing off each others bullshit. I'm Brad Pitt. She is Tina Turner. I role play as Ike for a bit, and tell her I'm going to smack her up, and give her a slap on the ass. She says she's gonna divorce me and take all my money. I isolate her and have her sit down next to me. Rolling Stones. Line cook at Denny's. I start qualifying her. She complies. After a bit, she says she has to go, but I get her to stay another 5 minutes. (# close)

I run into the 4-set from outside, and chat with the cutest of the 3 girls. We have a good chat. Smart/Hot/Rich. Brad Pitt. Rolling Stones. I don't remember exactly, but I think she needed to go to the bathroom. I see her a couple hours later making out with some random guy.

I open a seated girl outside, and a few minutes in a guy comes and sits down next to her. This is the same guy that took away a girl when I was at Big Wangs. He recognized me, I recognized him. But she knows him and he has his hands all rubbing her thighs, so I say ciao. (C<5)

A girl leaning against the wall is watching her friend vibe really well with some guy. I open her with horse girl. She tells me insulting a girl is not a good start. I keep going. Brad Pitt. Are you in a band? Yeah, rolling stones. Line cook at Denny's. She asks if this works on girls. (Why am I getting that so much lately? Help!) I keep plowing. She talks a bit about her work, and says she is a big fish in a small pond. I try to spin things back on her, and I ask her if that line works with guys. I understand you are into me, but you are coming on a little strong. She just kind of rolls her eyes. At this point her friend realizes the guy she is chatting with is a douche bag, and she wants to go. Off they go (C>5)

I open a seated 2-set, and the girl I am chatting to is drunk as a skunk. She can't focus for shit. A guy shows up with a drink for her, and she says she's known him since 3rd grade. He is saying Dude, you teach my astronomy class. I have no idea what the hell he is talking about, but I tell the girl that I really do. This is the only time she shows any spark of life as she is about to fall on the floor. I try running Ophrah Winfrey on her, and she is like Hell yeah I'll sleep with Oprah for 1 million. 500k? She can't pay attention. I'm not into necrophilia, and I'm getting nowhwere, so I eject (C<5)

I take a look around the place, and I see nothing with a buying temperature above absolute zero. Perhaps my gauges are off. Ray and I are feeling a bit tired, so we ride off into the sunset

Overall, I felt much more energy and more positive when going out. I slapped a few girls on the ass, and had really entertaining banter with a few different sets. It was fun. I feel like I am back on track.

Total sets:
C<5 - 2
C>5 - 5
# - 2

Sunday, February 22, 2009

1 hour at Beverly Center

I rode with Ray to the Beverly Center today so I could watch him perform some domestic duties, i.e. shopping

The place was mostly filled with couples walking hand in hand. Excuse me, are you is this one of those DTR conversations?

Waiting for the elevator, I horse girl this woman who gives me a hug. We role into the elevator together, and she gives us directions to Bed Bath and Beyond as she heads to her car.

10 minutes later, who should appear in line but the horse girl?! Buying a George Foreman grill... Hey, it's the horse girl! I tease her for forgetting to buy a Foreman Grillmaster 5000 of all things, or are you just following us around? What does one grill with those things anyway? We have a bbq every Sunday, and we need somebody to run the grill, you should come. But she doesn't know how to operate the grill, her boyfriend does. And that is that...
(C>5)

I also opened an asian girl in a mini-skirt, who spoke absolutely zero english. I ejected, but next time that happens I am going to ask her if she likes horses... in Chinese! (C<5)

We also walked on melrose a bit, but saw no sets

Conclusions:
Beverly Center and Melrose Ave suck for day game on Oscar Sunday

C<5 - 1
C>5 - 1

Cahuenga Night Game

Saturday night, and we roll out to Cahuenga.

Before heading out, we made a whole foods run, and I did one set in the frozen foods section... horse girl, shedding cat, idle chit chat, go for the #... And she won't have it. I joke about only calling her 49 times, and she says she has a boyfriend. DD routine, and she says "a first date will never happen." Ouch. See ya (C<5)

Then out to Big Wangs, and I open a seated two set with Monster Truck. One of the girls is 5 feet tall, and would totally date a guy with a monster truck, but would require that a foot stool be involved. Lol! Brad Pitt... The Truck Lover also has bar name, but her friend is totally confused about why anybody would have a bar name. So we give her one, Jezebel. I then do the shedding cat routine on jezebel, and she asks me "Does this stuff really work on girls?!" All the time. Plow plow plow. We chat, then I run the blender routine. She negotiates an upgrade to the blender to a "nice non-stick skillet." OK, I can work with that. Then I tell her she can't get wet, and she is like OMG! Why even go there! Does this really work on girls?!

So I play along, and say we can talk about the weather, or do you come here often, or what do you do? And it turns out she wants to talk about her job. I cut her off, cuz this is really boring, and it turns out we both moved to LA from the same city. Then, she and her friend need to run off to the bathroom (C>5)

Then we are off to the next bar. I opened a 2 set, drunk birthday girl. I do sexy shoes, shedding cat, who cuts your hair, 8 girlfriends. She says she is looking for a no strings attached thing, and has 2 boyfriends. No commitment. Not into boys right now. This was really a perfect situation, as she was really sexually expressive, and drunk, but I was having a hard time building and holding attraction. She kept grabbing her girlfriend and talking about how much she loves her. I ejected like a pussy (C>5)

I opened a girl with horse girl. Got the hug. I get the hug all the time now. She is in a bachelorette party, and I congratulate the bride. (C<5)

I reopened the group unknowingly later with monster truck, which went well. But some of the girls are from the east coast and totally ready to sleep because of jet lag. Total low energy (C<5)

2 set opened with horse girl. The horse girl gives me a hug, but is not into more conversation. So I chat with the friend, and bond with her a bit based on common background. I run shedding cat, and she laughs. She agrees to bring her own lint roller. I ask for the #, but her friend is pulling her to the bathroom, but she says she'll be back... Right. 10 minutes later, I go up to her and tell her I'm leaving, but give me your number. Her friend says she has a boyfriend. But she gives me the #. (# close)

I text later in the night and she replies "horse girl says hello."

Walking through the crowd, I get bumped by this girl that is 6 inches taller than me. I accuse her of being violent and she is uber-apologetic. I run sexy shoes on her, and get the hug. Brad Pitt. She plays along. The whole time she is talking she is bending her knees to come down to my level. I didn't know how to read that, and I did the same, pretending I was shorter. Stop, I'm embarrassed as it is about my height... Oops. Then I run the cat routine. And then who cuts your hair. She didn't like me pulling her hair, and turns her back. (C>5)

I see her later and yell out her pretend name and she yells back Brad Pitt, but she is surrounded by a group of guys and they pull her back in.

We head over to Burgundy room, but it is all dudes. I do a street set, and the girl cuts me off with Your Friend already asked me that. Oh really, I have another... but they ran off (B)

We end up at a place i haven't been yet (Citizen Smith?) and it has a ton of hot girls and a great outdoor area. I open one set with sexy shoes, and the girl I deliver it to isn't so hot. So I switch to her friend, and the sexy shoe girl leaves us alone. I was getting no compliance so I did a little back turn, and she pulls me back in by asking where I am from. We chat. She says I'm full of shit. I absurdify. She says she is full of shit too. Then she has to go sit down because her feet hurt. (C>5)

I open a two set at the bar. Absolutely zero attraction. I am throwing routines out there, and I am getting nothing. We are at the bar, and the friend says let's go get a drink... stepping two steps away. Nice. (C>5)

There may be one or two additional sets mixed in, but they are unmemorable.

Summary:
I was higher energy tonight, but having little attraction from anybody.
B - 1
C<5 - 3
C>5 - 5
# - 1

Saturday, February 21, 2009

Relationship (mis)Management

Today was a rough day in the relationship arena. I was woken up at noon by an incoming skype video call with my long distance LTR. She wants to talk about "the relationship."

Some history - I approached this girl at a Target store around Thanksgiving. We meet for tea a couple days later, and do everything but have sex in the tea shop. Then make that happen at her place 3 blocks away. We stay in touch, and end up spending 14 days together over Xmas and New Years. She tells me she loves me.

She wants to have the relationship talk. Her summation is this... "I know what is going to happen in LA. I'm not stupid. I just don't want to hear about it, and if I can see you once a month that would be cool." Cool, right? Stay tuned...

I move to LA, and she comes to visit. In 3.5 days, she wants to have relationship drama 4 times. I ignore it and change the subject until she says she feels like I'm ignoring and changing the subject. Then I let her talk herself out, and she comes to the conclusion that she is my main girl, and that is OK. Until today...

Today, she says that she can't have an open relationship, and doesn't exactly say that this is an ultimatum, but wants to talk about it. This has come up before, so she believes I am having sex with other people or have the intention of doing so. And she wants me to fix her problem, because she isn't going to deal with this. We talk for a long time, and I describe in many different ways what she is feeling, and asking if what I am saying sounds accurate. She says it does. I say she feels a need to nest and domesticate me, does that sound right? Yes. You realize I can't agree to these ultimatums? She wants me to figure out a solution that will work

But I don't know what that is, so I tell her I will call her if/when I figure it out. Bye

Here I am with this great girl who says she loves me, who wants me to be committed to her, but I can't do it. And I would love to have her in my life, because she is a great person and we have a lot of fun together. But I don't know how to have her be happy with that. I'm sure somebody more skilled in relationship management would have handled this differently, and I was able to keep it going for a month or so after the DTR conversation first started, but in the end I didn't know how to handle the ultimatum.

She summarized by saying that it sounds like we are both at different places in our lives, and that I need to "go do my thing" and she realizes that if she tried to have me skip "doing my thing" that it would ultimately end poorly for our relationship. But she can't wait, so call her when I'm ready

Boo hoo...

Friday Night Frat Bar Game

We rolled in around 10:30, and the place was already filling out nicely. I started doing sexy shoe girl on 3 sets, and noticed that I was falling into these unscripted normal conversations. Stop that! So I tell myself the rest of the night it is only the routine stack, and no other conversation. Which I didn't follow, but I did better at sticking to the stack

My version of sexy shoes seems to take way too long in a loud club environment. A few sets in, and my voice is starting to go downhill. I seem to yell from my throat instead of projecting my voice from my chest, so I will need to work on this

I creeped out a few girls tonight by touching their hair using the Shedding Cat routine. One girl even pulled her head away like a whip. Damn.

I had a great frame control battle with a really hot girl tonight, which was my favorite set. I opened with sexy shoes, and she acted offended. Is that like supposed to be a compliment? Yeah, so I wouldn't admit it either... She says she has to go to the bathroom. I keep talking. She asks if I'm trying to impress her with these little games? Oh, you're impressed, thank you. Eventually, she does leave to go the bathroom, and tells me she will be upstairs later. I talk to her friend for a few minutes, and she loves my beard.

Things I learned tonight:
Stick to the stack!
Project the voice from the chest
Put the shedding cat routine after some other attract material. Build some attraction first
High energy and kino is key! I was low energy and not kino'ing enough so sets just looked for something more interesting

Total sets tonight:
C<5 - 9
C>5 - 1

Friday Grove Day Game

To warm up for Friday night, I went to The Grove to do some day game with my friend Mr. S.

My day game delivery of sexy shoes and horse girl is going really well, and my tendency to drop into normal low energy conversation isn't so negative as it is in night game

I don't really remember the first couple of sets, but I just opened the first girls that were in my vicinity. Both less than 5 minutes

I had some really good sets where I was challenged and won the contest. Case in point:
I deliver horse girl to a girl on the escalator at Barnes & Noble. She doesn't buy it, and says "Do I look like a horse to you?!" Listen to me, I need you to focus. Are you focused... there was this girl. She liked horses... When she gets it, she is like, Oh, I was just messing with you. But her phone is ringing and its her brother and she has to go. (C<5)

A really beautiful blonde walks past, and I run her down. Deliver horse girl, and she about pees herself. I ask her name, and start to go into the Shedding Cat routine, and she asks, "Are you like on some crazy show?" Totally, I'm on the craziest show ever. Don't look at the camera! She thinks the cat routine is fun, but is a little weirded out and wants to leave... (C<5)

I open two girls with horse girl, and get a huge forgiving hug. I start to go into bs normal conversation and want to shoot myself for it, and the friend starts to pull the target away. Hey, this is way more important than going wherever, we are having a bonding moment from our youth. But they are off to dinner with their fiances or something, so off they go (C<5)

I'm walking with Mr. S to head to Whole Foods, and this really hot skinny girl with braids is in sight. Horse Girl. She loves it. Then I do the shedding cat routine, which turns out is challenging on a girl with braids. Then she asks, does this stuff work on girls? All the time... Hmm, OK, that horse thing is kind of funny, but there is something missing. So we vibe a bit on how she would improve horse girl, which mostly involves her acting like she is riding a horse. She makes pastries for a living, but weighs at most 80 lbs. So I pick her up. Literally. I ask for the #, but no go. I comment on her horseshoe necklace, and tell her that I wasn't checking out her chest. Not that I wouldn't, and not that I haven't. I just wasn't. She laughs, and I go for the # again. No deal. So we talk a bit more about whatever, and I go for it again, and this time she hands up the goods. We hug good-bye, and off we go to whole foods. Overall, she tried to leave twice, but Mr. S and I kept her attention and closed the deal. This, despite that she had a giant rock on her finger. (# close)

In Whole Foods, there is an amazing looking woman checking out the oranges. Horse girl. Shedding cat routine. General conversation about moving to LA and finding the grocery store. Brad Pitt. We were having a great interaction, and I go for the #. She says she has a boyfriend, but since I'm new to town and looking for friends... No worries, we need a designated driver when we go on our first date. She laughs, and gives me the #. She says to txt her my email address, because she will invite me to a party (orbiter invitation?)

A few minutes later, I run into her again and accuse her of stalking me. We talk about food, and I invite her out for the best dessert ever. She is into it, so we make soft plans. I text later to confirm and get a response where she mentions about 5 things from our conversation. Nice. (# close)

I had a few blowouts too, where girls just kept walking. I believe I could have corrected this by jumping in front of them. I had one set start speaking to each other in a foreign language, and another where a girl starts talking about how one time, a guy said a line to her, and it was a bunch of BS, let's go. And pulls her friend away. I could have neutralized that by starting to talk to the alpha-girl more aggressively before she got going.

Some things I noticed:
Day game energy is much easier for me, and requires less kino.
It is pretty easy to get hugs with horse girl, just by expecting them.
You can also make girls stay and talk after they try to leave, just by staying put and continuing to talk.

Total sets:
B - 5
C<5 - 2
# close - 2

Thursday, February 19, 2009

Grove Day Game

Went to The Grove with Ray and did a few sets as not too many people were out and about.

I did a seated 1-set in the food court, by sitting down at her table and saying Sorry I'm late, traffic was a real bear. What? Oh, aren't you Bubbles6969 from match.com? She is Italian, and didn't understand any of this.

I started making light jokes about Italian's, playing on stereotypes and talking about one of the times I was in Italy. What's your name? Brad Pitt. She plays along with that, and she pulls out her camera and wants to take a picture of me. I make her earn it by thumb wrestling me first.

We make soft plans to talk more later, and I get the #. We practice the call back, where she needs to be excited when I call, and then off I go (# close)


I approach a lone girl, and run horse girl. She loves it. She asks me if this works on girls... All the time, I say. OK, well I'm married. I tell her it is so cute how she thinks I'm hitting on her. We keep talking, and she offers to introduce me to some of her hot single friends, who may be coming to the Grove later. I add her as my facebook friend for now (# close)

I did a few horse girl approaches after this, but nothing stuck. (3 - C<5)

Total sets:
C<5 - 3
#/Facebook - 2

Thursday, February 12, 2009

FR: 1st Wednesday

Tonight we went to a night club that was running a hard door. We tried to pull girls with us to get through the line, and the door man still wouldn't let us in since we are a whole package of sausage

So we went on to a few other bars, and starting approaching.
I opened a girl with sexy shoes. She ran away (C<5)

Next was a seated two set. Opened with sexy shoe girl, and I sat down mid delivery. Good kino. Brad Pitt. She plays along as a total stalker. Did thumb wrestling. Smart hot rich. My wing came in and occupied the second girl. She turns mid-set and starts talking to a guy. I cut that off by saying introduce me to your friend. Hey dude, nice to meet you. She asked where I was from. Minnesota. Why don't you have the accent? Fargo story. Turns out she is from NJ, and her family speaks like My Cousin Vinny. So I foreshadow to Christmas dinner with the families, where we watch Fargo and My Cousin Vinny together. She laughs. She likes to hike, so I asked where she goes, and told her she needs to bring me. OK, yeah. (# close)

Then I see the hottest girl in the room, and I beeline to her and open with Sexy Shoes. Smart/Hot/Rich. Brad Pitt. All is going really well. I go for the #, and she says no, I have a boyfriend. Its OK, I understand. Now I know that if you give some guys your number, they call like 50 times. I promise I'll stop at 49. Actually, I really like my boyfriend. OK, so we know that these relationship things don't always work out, so why don't you give me your email and when things don't work out, you can let me know. Well, maybe I'll see you here on another Wednesday. The bar was closing, and as the designated driver, she needed to round up her friends (who were all in deep kino conversations with guys.) (C>5)

On the way to the car, I opened 3 sets. First set was two girls walking in front of us, and I opened with horse girl, without even seeing their faces. (C<5)

Total sets:
C<5 - 4
C>5 - 1
# - 1

Wednesday, February 11, 2009

FR: Working a Restaurant

There is a local restaurant in which I will eat many meals over the next year. Conveniently, they hire hot girls to work there. I hesitated to game them, since this is a place that I will spend a lot of time, so I discussed it with Brad. His advice was game on, full speed ahead... so I did

Some background: I was here a week ago and chatted up one of the wait staff with just general conversation. I was open and social and fun, and she was obviously interested in me. But I didn't go for a number because of the above mentioned concern. So today when I walked in, I already knew one of the staff by name (The names have been changed to protect the guilty)

Hey Target, I'll just grab my usual table, OK? Sure, I'll be right there. So I sit down with my wing, and we start chatting. Target walks up with menus and asks for drinks and we order. I didn't want to game her too hard, so I'm just friendly and ask about her weekend, and she shares a bit about it. Then back to the kitchen

Next time out, I ask her if she makes a ton of money working here. Ha ha, not so much. Hmm, OK. Are you smart? Oh yeah, I'm smart. Cool... cuz I only like girls who are smart/hot/rich. She laughs, and starts qualifying herself really hard, talking about her ambitions with a business and her dancing. Oh, so you're ambitious, that's cool. And off she goes again...

Next time around, I comment about her dancing... and as she starts talking about it, I cut her off and tell a story about a girl I used to date back home that also did some dancing (I understand your world) and how she had some drama with it. Target laughs and asks some questions and laughs some more.

Now across the restaurant this other waitress (who is smoking hot) looks at me, does a really obvious double take, and then tries to hide a little smile that is forming. My look is a bit bright and grabs attention, with some brightly dyed hair. A few minutes later, she comes over to our table to see if we need anything, and I do sexy shoe girl on her. She laughs, and then our table is interrupted by another friend of ours stopping by to say hi, so I don't finish the opener and instead put all of my attention on the friend. So Girl#2 leaves (but comes back later to bring water)

A bit later, Girl #3 walks by, does a double take, and compliments me on my hair. I genuinely like her clothes, so I return the compliment, and she walks closer to talk with us:
Girl#3 - Are you guys in a band? You have that look. I'm in a band
Me - I am actually, but you probably haven't heard of us. We are a bit obscure. Have you heard of... The Rolling Stones?
Girl #3 - (laughs)
Me - Actually, I'm not really in a band, but all of my friends are. I just sleep on their couches and steal all of their drugs. Its a great way to live. But maybe you and I should start a band
Girl #3 - Oh, I'm already in 8 bands
Me - That's cool. I have 8 girlfriends. I've been thinking about adding a ninth, and you seem kinda cool. Maybe I could slot you in as girlfriend #9
Girl #3 - (laughs) Oh, I'm married
Me - No problem. We need a designated driver when we go on our first date. Maybe he can join us
Girl #3 - (laughs more) You are funny. I'll be back later


Shortly after this, the target returns and says to Girl #3 that she is leaving soon, so I tell her to come closer. She comes over and leans down next to me... So, you seem kinda cool (Thanks!) and I think we should spend some time together (OK!) so give me your number and we'll work something out. (# close)

I ask her what her schedule is like, and she spells it all out for me, and then she says "Hey, I can bring you to blah blah blah." So we have a specific event to go to and a specific day. Hmmm, I think I can do that, so I'll call you to finalize details. You remember my name right? She doesn't, so I pretend to be indignant (After all we have been through together!), and she touches me and apologizes. I won't forget again, I promise. And with that beautiful moment behind us, I leave

Overall, it was a bit of warm approach, and I knew the attraction was there. It was in the day and she was working, so I didn't game super hard, and instead did some early qualification,a nd then general comfort and rapport building, but flirted with the other girls to build up some social proof

Overall:
# close - 1

FR: 1st Tuesday Out

Tonight we went to 2 bottles or models clubs within walking distance of the house, but were rejected at the door. Presumably because we were a 2-person sausage fest. There were no girls in line at either place to pull, so we hopped in my car and went to Cinespace

This was my first time in Cinespace, and it had a good vibe other than it was 80% dudes. Or chics with dudes. Many of these sets ended when a guy came up and pulled the girl away

The first set was a solo girl, and I opened with horse girl. 5 seconds in a guy walks up and puts his arm around her, and he says "Let me guess she looks like her." I just rolled with it and said yeah, she looks just like her, and finished the story. Then the guy says nice meeting you but we were on our way out, and they walk off (C<5)

Next set, I do sexy shoe girl and get a hug in front of the boyfriend, and I chat with him a minute. Then he walks off with her in tow. I reopened her later while she was alone, but when he came back from the bathroom he just grabbed her arm and walked off (C<5)

Next, I opened two girls with eyeliner. Both were pro-guyliner, and were a bit punk. Just my type. But... I just totally blanked on material and started saying Me Too!, because, well, she kept saying stuff that we had in common. Then I shared a story (without a hook question) about my drive down the Pacific Coast Highway. (C<5)

The next girl I approached was crazy hot, and I opened with shoe girl while she was waiting for a drink from the bar. She kept saying uh-huh, uh-huh, then once she got her drink she ran off to the dance floor without so much as a look back (C<5)

Once again, shoe girl. This girl asked me, so is this your normal pick-up line. Its the worst pick up line, ever, but there was this girl... She interrupts again, "She sounds weird. Why are you asking me?" So I wrap up the story, and she laughs, and forgives me with a hug. Then, in swoops a guy and grabs her arm and pulls her off. She says bye with a big smile and squeezes my arm as she walk off (C<5)

That was it for Cinespace, and we walked down to Cahuenga to check out the bars there. Most were pretty dead, but I opened one set. I was low energy, and while talking to this two set, 2 loud dudes walk in and start talking over me, and all attention just drifted away. One guy grabs the elbow of the girl closest to me, and suddenly... I'm out of the group. I started laughing when the guys walked in, because I could see it happen before it did. Not that I did anything to stop it. (C<5)

Overall, a really low energy night for me. I had a few key observations:
I need to be more energetic and loud in club environments, being more animated and more excited in tonality
I am not getting girls to laugh. I need to tease

Summary:
C<5 - 6

Tuesday, February 10, 2009

FR: 1st Monday out

Tonight was my first Monday evening out in LA. We went to rocker night at a club. We got there about 10:30 and it was a little dead, but picked up incredibly over the next hour.

My first set was a 3-set, and it went cold. I did eyeliner, and two of the girls turned away midway through, and it was cold after that. Eject (C<5)

My next set was a seated 2-set. I sat down next to them, did eyeliner, and we were getting some dialogue. They were really warm and receptive and I was doing great kino on the girl closest to me. I couldn't hear the other one so I said so, and moved in between them. They told me that they were strippers, and I was their first victim of the night. No girl, I'm dangerous. If you were smart, you would run awhile while you still can.

I cut the eyeliner thread and they came back to it, so I finished and then asked names. Meridian "I'm the center of attention" and Leah, "like Princess Leah." So I say she needs to do her hair up in the buns and do a pose with a gun. Meridian is like, that's not Princess Leah, that's Charlie's Angels, like Farrah Faucet. I tell them about a friend in middle school that had a poster of her with these giant pencil eraser nipples. She had the best nipples ever. Leah said she had great nipples too, and I put my hand inside her shirt to feel one of them. "Ooh, you are dangerous"

Then they tried to get me to come to their strip club when they were working (orbiter invitation) and I said, Nah, that's not really my thing. But we have a great bar and lots of beautiful women walking around half naked. Yeah, I said, that's kind of like my house. I don't need to pay for that

Now Meridian grabs Leah and says lets go to the bathroom. (C>5)


I had a great rocker look going and some guys were opening me, and then introducing me to the girls in their groups. Then they introduced me to more girls. I got myspace info from this Italian rocker girl (# close) One of the guys had a hot girlfriend, and they were fighting. I asked how they knew each other and he mumbled something. Her response was to punch him in the shoulder and say, "We are dating, you fuck!" Classy

I opened two girls, who turned out to be 18. There was little to no response from either of them. I just kept spitting routine after routine out. How many boyfriends do you have? Finally, something... a couple, she says, with a twinkle in her eye. Nice I say, and give her a high 5. Then I go into 8 g/f, and she is a little weirded out and shuffles away, bit by bit. (C>5)

I opened a girl with sexy shoes, and got great response. She was holding my hand a bit, and then jokingly accused me of trying to steal the ring off her finger. No girl, I have a whole collection of women's jewelry at home from girls who have left things over. But what is the story of this ring... Its from an ex-b/f from 5 years ago. I'm like, you need to let it go and find someone else to be the target of your affection. I can help you with that. So she pulls in this guy next to her, who was making out with a girl, and says this is my b/f. I'm lending him to my friend. Then she kisses the other girl. Nice. I vibe with the dude a bit, and then eject. (C>5)

I open a 5-set of girls with eyeliner, and one of them says "That is the Game!" No, its not a game, its a question, so check it out... "No No No! THE Game. Mystery!" No, its not a mystery, its a question, so check it out... and I plow. 4 of the girls are turned away, but the trash talker starts turning my way a bit, but won't answer a question about eyeliner. Eject. (Blowout)

I open a girl with horse girl, who trains horses. She is with her boyfriend, and they are in a band together playing Thursday night. I'm invited. Eject (C>5)


I might have had one or two other sets, but they were uneventful. Overall, my club success was low. I wasn't getting attraction with the girls, although many of the guys were asking if I was playing somewhere (suggesting I'm in a band.) I didn't manage to turn that into strong social proof that helped with the women.

At this point, we left and went to some smaller bars. The first place was dead, so no sets. Then walking down the street, I open a mixed 2-set outside a bar. They loved my jacket, and the girl told me to walk inside and show it to a girl that had something similar. You can't miss her, she is the only girl in there. So the only girl in there is sitting really close to a dude, almost kissing. I hesitate, but open with hey, sorry to interrup a sensual moment, but I'm supposed to talk to a girl about her jacket. The dude is out of the picture now, as she puts her full attention on me, and shows off her jacket. We need to get a photo! But it is dark, so I pull her outside. Alone. With my wingman to do the photo shoot. We vibe great, and tons of kino, kisses on the cheek, and she says "I'm not one of the Flintstones, but I can make your bed rock." She is in town for 3 more days, dancing. She's cold and going back inside. # close. I should have gone back in with her

On to the next place. I opened a 2-set, isolate one of the girls, and we vibe really well with lots of common interests. I'm touching her arm, and the small of her back. # close. Then she has to piss, and I leave with my wings, to go back to meet jacket girl if she is still there. I should have waited until she came back from the bathroom... oh well. So jacket girl isn't there, but I talk with the friends. Then open the 2-set next to them, and # close another girl. She has huge cans, and keeps sticking them out for me to see. Nice. I insinuate hanging out more tonight, but she is obviously dead tired

My non-club game was pretty solid. Basically 3 approaches and 3 # closes

Overall:
B - 1
C<5 - 1
C>5 - 4
# close - 4

Sunday, February 8, 2009

FR: LA Day 2

Today, we did some day game at a local outdoor mall for a few hours. It was cold and rainy, so I primarily did approaches in a book store.

I had a great set with 3 brazilian students, starting with sexy shoe girl. My target loved it and we hugged. Her friends joined in, and we vibed a bit, then they left me alone with my target. She is in town for 10 days, then gone for 2 months before coming back to LA. She is into photography. She wants to take my photo. We exchange numbers and I have her save my contact info as Handsome Funny Nomad. Then we practice the call, where she acts really excited to hear from me. It is picture perfect! We agree to meet up on Tuesday (# close)

I then approach two Japanese girls, who speak almost no English. I break out my limited Japanese, which is really limited to hello, i love you, you are very beautiful, and where is the bathroom. This last line cracked me up, because for a minute they thought I was really asking, and we all had a good laugh. I was in Japan nine times last year, so we hand gestured that story a bit, and they asked if I like Japan. I said no, and I definitely don't like Japanese girls. They got the joke, and we laughed some more. They are in town for 5 days as tourists... At this point, I should have # closed, but I just ejected since I'm not into Asians (C>5)

My last set was a situational opener with a Russian American girl looking for books. Erotica books. I start asking for guidance on good erotica, and off we go looking for these books together. I find a book on female masturbation, and suggest this could be a good one, and she gets a little weirded out. I have to leave to meet my friends, and since we can't find the book she wants me to read, I suggest she'll have to lend me her copy. I go for the #, but she is cold and says for me to give her my address and she'll mail it to me. I eject (C>5)

After a couple hours of chill time, we all head out to tonight's venue

My mission for the first part of the night is to walk around the bar and open every set. I open about 10 sets, all less than 5 minutes, all with the same eyeliner opener. I tweaked it as I went, as I figured out how to get stronger reactions out of people. I had some good mixed sets. One set had 5 tall women, and I asked them if they were a female basketball team. One was from Portland, so we vibed on that. All told, 10 sets (C<5)>5

At this point, I was feeling fairly low energy so I met up with my friends, and was told some girls they were talking to had asked about me. So off we go for introductions. I'm vibing with the 2 girls, and I pull out the blender routine. It got interrupted twice, and I tried to push it through, but it fell really flat. I ejected (C>5)

I walk around for a bit, then open a 2 set with the eyeliner opener. It goes well, and we chat. It starts to be a boring conversation, all due to me being boring, so I leave. I run into these same two girls 3 times in the next 20 minutes of walking around, and I tease them about stalking me, and how I'm going to get a restraining order. As the night is closing, I re-open them, pull one of the girls hair, and just have normal conversation. I tell them we are going to have an after party, # close, and then go meet friends. I find Jake, tell him about what is going on, and we go back in. We get them back to the house, and isolate both of them, and I start making out with my girl on the Love Sac (not the one I # closed.) Then she needs to find her friend, they go into the bathroom, and when they come out they say they need to leave. My girl kisses me good bye, I get her digits (# close / k close.) Not sealing the deal when they were back at the house sucks, but I'm pleased with getting 2 girls back to the house in 2 nights.

Summary:
B - 0
C<5 - 12
C>5 - 3
# close - 3
SNL - 0

Saturday, February 7, 2009

FR / LR: LA Day 1

Friday was the first real night out in LA. We went to a bar about a mile from the house

I was experiencing some minor AA at first, but then went straight into a 2-set of women from England. They opened really easily, and I was quickly into Level 2 kino. I guessed they were from China, which got a good laugh, and then teased that I wasn't into English girls. The cuter of the 2 mentioned her fiance, whom she moved to the US to be with, and since this was my first set I left (C>5)

I then opened a 4 set, did cold reads on the group, picked my target, and got myself locked in against the bar with the 4 of them standing around me. I was touching my targets thighs, and we were vibing about some common interests about scuba diving and time in Australia. I worked out logistics, and they had a full travel dependency. They were from Long Beach, but were staying at a friends place in the area. I had Brad perform a mock marriage ceremony between the 2 of us, but kissing the bride was just on the cheek. #/email close, and agreed to hang out in the future. Walked to the bathroom together and went for the kiss again, but she turned her head so I got the cheek again (P/E)

Opened a girl with Sexy Shoe Girl, and she wouldn't let me finish and started talking to somebody over my shoulder. (B)

Opened a mixed 2-set, and got the girl sitting on my lap. It was a pretty platonic dialogue, so I ejected (C>5)

Opened a 3-set of Arizona college girls. Did blender routine on the youngest/hottest, but it fell flat. Brad said to drop my biggest bomb and see what happened, so I asked why all of the Girls Gone Wild videos seemed to take place in Arizona, and they must be really naughty. They reacted very coldly, so I left (C>5)

Now we were getting ready to leave, and this girl opens me, commenting about my facial hair. I pull her in close, and she is asking what we are up to next. Brad is the best wing ever, and cleared up logistics, and we hopped into a taxi back to the house. She wanted to do coke, which none of us do, so we just evaded. We start dancing and make out a bit. We just met 10 minutes earlier and she needs to talk and talk and talk, and she is freaking out a bit. Brad and I pass her back and forth and continue increasing buying temperature. Brad disappears, and she starts having a freak out session. I realize she is totally controlling the frame, so I grab her wrist and pull her into the living room and tell her come talk to me. Then things calm down and she is sitting on top of me on the big LoveSac.

She has a hole in her jeans from a rip, and I slide my finger into it and start fingering her. Then I undo her pant buttons, and take off her shirt. I flip her over, and she says "Do you have a condom?" Of course. "Let me see it." So I show it to her. "No, let me see it!" So I pull down my pants, put on the condom, and pull her pants down and slip inside. She spends the night, and the next morning freaks out again about how her boyfriend is going to disown her, and she runs out the door. 3 minutes later she comes back to ask for my phone number. Crazy (SNL)

So for the night:
B - 1
C<5 - 0
C>5 - 3
P/E - 1
SNL - 1